Students taught hunting as Ministers back vocational diploma

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The Government has controversially given the go-ahead to an official qualification in hunting – which was banned six years ago.

Now questions are being asked about how the West-based hunt authorities have teamed up with a local training company, which has links to a hunt in Wiltshire, to lay on a course aimed at teenagers to gain an official National Vocational Qualification (NVQ).

The course is a specialism option within a regular Animal Care diploma, which is an NVQ used in everything from stables to dog grooming parlours.

Haddon Training, based in Marlborough in Wiltshire, has teamed up with the Masters of the Foxhounds Association, based near Cirencester in Glo- ucestershire, for the diploma.

Hunting foxes and deer with more than two hounds was made illegal in the controversial 2005 ban, but hunts have continued to operate, using legal loopholes.

Haddon Training said their new qualification was already proving popular for young hunt workers. “We are certain that part of the future of all forms of hunting will rely upon training, education and qualifications for staff coming into the industry as well as maintaining animal welfare standards at the highest levels,” said a spokesman.

“We believe that it is important for all hunt kennels to take active participation in the promotion of the education of the future generation of hunt staff, and although this has never been a requirement in the past, it is important for the hunting fraternity to embrace training opportunities that will advance their careers. Hunting has a future if it keeps abreast of 21st century education and welfare standards,” he added.

The specialist hunting NVQ, which is recognised by the Government’s education and qualifications body, was devised by the MFHA’s Tim Easby and by Lesley Seed, who works for Haddon Training, but is also one of the masters of the Avon Vale Hunt, based near Melksham in Wiltshire.

She said the hunting NVQ was a ‘natural fit’ into the more generic Animal Care diploma. “It’s done by other people working in the animal industry, people working in zoos or grooming parlours, but we’ve tailored our course specifically for hunt learners who are working in hunt kennels.

“In future if the youngsters leave hunting, they’ve got a prospect of employment elsewhere. We’re also able to give them the theoretical side on the course, of operating in hunt kennels and we can actually assess them practically to ensure that they are safe in their environment and that they have the skills to move on and provide us with the huntsmen and first whippers-in of the future,” she added.

The League Against Cruel Sports dismissed the qualification. “It would be interesting to know if there’s a section on how to ‘accidentally hunt’, which is how many hunts are getting around the law and still killing foxes cruelly,” said spokesman Steve Taylor.

“This is a qualification rooted in the past – what will be next, an NVQ in slavery?” he added.

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    by ToryLady

    Thursday, September 29 2011, 7:35PM

    “Hmm, a course which encourages students to work for an illegal practice? Interesting. Foxhunting will never be made legal again. But I don't mind the students learning to look after the horses and dogs, if the hunting is trail hunting and not hunting of real foxes.”

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Wednesday, September 28 2011, 9:28PM

    “Read th8is. It's comedy gold!

    http://tinyurl.com/6ej2wbj

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 11:09AM

    “Where I think there is a bit of a discrepancy about this law is - why don't they enforce it if it makes so much sense. For example if you think I should be gunning down the deer that I flush out why don't you report me to the police? Why do LACS not do so?

    I am very sorry if the odd pet is accidentally killed. As far as malicious intent is concerned. Hunts are not malicious towards wildlife. They merely recognise the key benefits of predation in the ecosystem.

    Where animals are not managed properly nature suffers. Look at the hundreds of deer that died on the LACS sanctuary from overcrowding. That is gross animal cruelty.

    I know that what I do is not cruel and I will not stop.”

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    by hc1234

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 10:12AM

    “It is not malicious intent of the animal, they are simply doing what they have been trained to do. It IS malicious intent of the human beings who have trained the hounds and encouraged the hounds to chase (and flush) animals

    Pets are killed.
    http://tinyurl.com/68o555z

    http://tinyurl.com/6ysqhvq

    So what is the llamas are only JUST hurt? Surely they and their owner should not be in fear of hunts attacking them on their land?! Who has the right to enter someone elses land and allow their animals to attack their livestock?”

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 9:40AM

    “A recent letter to Chris Williamson - he is an MP and trusteee of the League Against Cruel Sports:

    Chris Williamson MP
    House of Commons
    London
    SW1A OAA

    9 September 2011

    Dear Mr Williamson,

    I am writing to you as an MP with an interest in the Hunting Act 2004 about my deliberate use of three dogs to search for and flush out wild deer and other mammals on my land in Devon in order to chase them.

    My technique is very simple, I periodically take my dogs off the lead over my land which consists of pasture and woodland. I often deliberately do this at dusk or dawn in order to maximise the chances of encountering deer. When we do encounter a deer or other animal I intentionally flush and chase the animal with the dogs.

    I do this for a number of reasons:

    To deliberately break the Hunting Act 2004
    For fun
    In order to discourage damage that the deer do to my coppiced woodland
    Civil disobedience by breaking an absurd law

    I have discussed this matter in depth both with Defra and my local police. Defra have in the past insisted that the law is clear that what I do is illegal unless I abide by the flushing exemption in the law which involves complying with conditions including the use of no more than two dogs and that the deer are shot. My local police concur.

    It is clear that the Hunting Act if enforced could affect my right to continue chasing wildlife with dogs. In order to defend this right I am deliberately and openly flouting the law. I have for a long time made the league Against Cruel Sports well aware of this.

    It is important to me that I am allowed to break this law with your full knowledge. This helps to bring the law into disrepute and to encourage others to break it.

    If you have any questions about my activities I will be only too happy to answer them.

    Furthermore if you have any objections maybe you would like to contact the police yourself. I have recently been liaising with Richard Crompton the Lincolnshire CC and head of the National Wildlife Crime Unit. He is well aware of my activities.

    Yours sincerely,




    Giles Bradshaw

    cc Alice Barnard Countryside Alliance”

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 9:32AM

    “Ps you say your pets are killed constantly. It's actually pretty rare for a pet to be killed by a hunt.”

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 9:31AM

    “But the Llama wasn't hurt with malicious intent either. If people droive with more care on country roads we could save hundreds of thousands of lives. Moreover many animals are only wounded by cars and go on to die a long drawn out death.

    Thank God for the Staghounds who are often called out to find and dispatch a wounded deer. Something that often can only be practically done using hounds.

    Personally I never kill any thing with my dogs I just use them to flush and chase wild deer. Something which is now only legal if I shoot them. Dispersal of wild red deer is a key benefit while using dogs.”

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    by hc1234

    Tuesday, September 27 2011, 8:44AM

    “Giles-I do not buy any of your spin. It isn't even good spin!

    Yes, cars kill animals but this is not done with malicious intent to kill. It is not done by people whose sole purpose of their expedition is to kill. You cannot compare someone accidentally killing a rabbit or a fox on the road to the barbarity of cubbing, of the chase, of the moment where the fox is taken down by twenty odd dogs and has its flesh ripped from it. I know from seeing it that the stag and the fox do not die instantly. It is a horrific death and is NOT humane.
    Dying on the roads isn't humane either but it carries different morals! They DO NOT die instantly contrary to Countryside Alliance lies, there are expert vets who have proven that hounds do not attack with bites to the neck like lions do because they are hounds! They have to be trained to kill because they do not do so naturally!

    Pets are killed (mine included) constantly by hounds and this is even after the hunting ban! If they are hunting legally then they would not go off the scent and onto people's land and gardens AND onto train tracks would they?

    The thing is, most people hate hunting and most sane people think that this NVQ is not only a waste of time but absolutely disgraceful to the nature of animal care and I know many vets who agree.”

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    by GilesBradshaw

    Monday, September 26 2011, 10:45PM

    “Terrible! However let's not forget that animals hurt through hunting are far far less than other activities suich as car driving which cause many thousands of times more suffering”

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    by hc1234

    Monday, September 26 2011, 10:08PM

    “Giles Bradshaw-care to explain this?

    http://tinyurl.com/67v6mvw

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